Comments on: Is Censure The Next Stop For Pelosi? http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/ News You Can Abuse! Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:27:14 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Batocchio http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/comment-page-1/#comment-21327 Batocchio Mon, 18 May 2009 03:39:18 +0000 http://blueherald.com/?p=18623#comment-21327 TBogg puts it best: http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/05/16/nancy-pelosi-is-the-new-lynndie-england/ TBogg puts it best:

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/05/16/nancy-pelosi-is-the-new-lynndie-england/

]]> By: Batocchio http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/comment-page-1/#comment-21326 Batocchio Mon, 18 May 2009 03:21:41 +0000 http://blueherald.com/?p=18623#comment-21326 Bro, I agree for the most part, but by the rules, IIRC, the intel committees are only notified, and can't say anything about it publically although they can protest it privately, as at least some Dems did. In this specific case, Emptywheel has shown that the CIA is either mistaken or lying - plus, crucially, prisoners were being tortured months before the briefing in question. I just say, let's have a full investigation, and let the chips fall where they may. Reid and Pelosi are far from impressive. Bro, I agree for the most part, but by the rules, IIRC, the intel committees are only notified, and can't say anything about it publically although they can protest it privately, as at least some Dems did. In this specific case, Emptywheel has shown that the CIA is either mistaken or lying - plus, crucially, prisoners were being tortured months before the briefing in question. I just say, let's have a full investigation, and let the chips fall where they may. Reid and Pelosi are far from impressive.

]]> By: Bro http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/comment-page-1/#comment-21323 Bro Sun, 17 May 2009 18:11:39 +0000 http://blueherald.com/?p=18623#comment-21323 Deliberate distraction indeed. Although the complicity of some Dems (Pelosi among them), to some degree anyway, makes it easy for the repukes to try to shift the spotlight (focus of media) to the Dems who in fact were informed and therefore complicit. Had the aware Dems (collectively) screamed bloody murder when they first became aware they wouldn't be in the conundrum they now find themselves in. Complicity in the crime to ensure silence and cooperation is one of the oldest organized crime tricks in the book. Once you're in the know and do nothing about it there is no way out without incriminating yourself. They got suckered, plain and simple. I particularly like the way that the Messiah, Obama, has now declared torture illegal, as if at some point it actually was legal. It's not surprising that the Dems seem perfectly willing to play along with that silly notion. Deliberate distraction indeed. Although the complicity of some Dems (Pelosi among them), to some degree anyway, makes it easy for the repukes to try to shift the spotlight (focus of media) to the Dems who in fact were informed and therefore complicit. Had the aware Dems (collectively) screamed bloody murder when they first became aware they wouldn't be in the conundrum they now find themselves in. Complicity in the crime to ensure silence and cooperation is one of the oldest organized crime tricks in the book. Once you're in the know and do nothing about it there is no way out without incriminating yourself. They got suckered, plain and simple. I particularly like the way that the Messiah, Obama, has now declared torture illegal, as if at some point it actually was legal. It's not surprising that the Dems seem perfectly willing to play along with that silly notion.

]]> By: Buck in NM http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/comment-page-1/#comment-21321 Buck in NM Sun, 17 May 2009 16:30:38 +0000 http://blueherald.com/?p=18623#comment-21321 Hey Tim I agree about D or R both being lousy representatives. Nancy Pelosi is not the Dem. offering. She is an AIPAC shill and nothing more. Hey Tim I agree about D or R both being lousy representatives. Nancy Pelosi is not the Dem. offering. She is an AIPAC shill and nothing more.

]]> By: Batocchio http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/comment-page-1/#comment-21319 Batocchio Sun, 17 May 2009 08:17:04 +0000 http://blueherald.com/?p=18623#comment-21319 I'm not a big fan of Pelosi, but a few observations: 1) These attacks are bullshit, a deliberate distraction, and the press has been happy to play. Emptywheel's been superb in covering this story. 2) Gingrich and other Republicans have to know this is bullshit, but they're raging like rabid dogs with little cause. In contrast, Pelosi took impeachment off the table. The Bushies tortured. The CIA broke the law. They also lied about Pelosi, apparently. The GOP goes on full attack mode, ridiculously out of proportion to the offense, even if which were true - <I>which it's not</i>. The press plays along, ignoring the real issues – the CIA broke the law, ordered to torture - <I>torture</i>- by the Bushies, and saying it was legal doesn't make it so. Yeah, the press is vapid and vile. Yes, the Republican leadership are a mix of ignorant and evil assholes. Yes, the game is stacked to benefit the scumbags. But the Dems also make all these bullshit games much easier to play (and some play 'em themselves), by being gutless and/or corrupt. This crap is why liberals don't like the Dem leadership much, and a key reason that the general population doubts the Dems. As Josh Marshall observed, regardless of the specific attacks, the Bush campaign's meta-attack against Kerry was that he wouldn't fight back when they lied about him. Pelosi at least supports a full investigation. I'm not a big fan of Pelosi, but a few observations:

1) These attacks are bullshit, a deliberate distraction, and the press has been happy to play. Emptywheel's been superb in covering this story.

2) Gingrich and other Republicans have to know this is bullshit, but they're raging like rabid dogs with little cause. In contrast, Pelosi took impeachment off the table.

The Bushies tortured. The CIA broke the law. They also lied about Pelosi, apparently. The GOP goes on full attack mode, ridiculously out of proportion to the offense, even if which were true - which it's not. The press plays along, ignoring the real issues – the CIA broke the law, ordered to torture - torture- by the Bushies, and saying it was legal doesn't make it so.

Yeah, the press is vapid and vile. Yes, the Republican leadership are a mix of ignorant and evil assholes. Yes, the game is stacked to benefit the scumbags. But the Dems also make all these bullshit games much easier to play (and some play 'em themselves), by being gutless and/or corrupt. This crap is why liberals don't like the Dem leadership much, and a key reason that the general population doubts the Dems. As Josh Marshall observed, regardless of the specific attacks, the Bush campaign's meta-attack against Kerry was that he wouldn't fight back when they lied about him.

Pelosi at least supports a full investigation.

]]> By: Tim http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/comment-page-1/#comment-21318 Tim Sun, 17 May 2009 05:07:51 +0000 http://blueherald.com/?p=18623#comment-21318 Well if she is what the Dem's offer. Then what is the difference. Her comment on being more important to be in power again just shows who she is. Why I am not a Dem for years now. D or R just represent more government and power. I believe in a balance and they dont' want that. I think it is time we push to drop the two party system. Well if she is what the Dem's offer. Then what is the difference. Her comment on being more important to be in power again just shows who she is. Why I am not a Dem for years now. D or R just represent more government and power. I believe in a balance and they dont' want that. I think it is time we push to drop the two party system.

]]> By: chicher http://blueherald.com/2009/05/is-censure-the-next-stop-for-pelosi/comment-page-1/#comment-21317 chicher Sun, 17 May 2009 01:25:44 +0000 http://blueherald.com/?p=18623#comment-21317 I would like to see Pelosi and Gingrich destroy each other like the mutant snake and mongoose that they are. I would like to see Pelosi and Gingrich destroy each other like the mutant snake and mongoose that they are.

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